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公眾諮詢期現已結束，多謝各位給予寶貴意見，籌委會已集合各方意見並逐一回應，請用以下連結觀看，籌委會會把意見整合成香港議會選舉法第二草稿並公布！
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Thank you for your quick response and service.
I thought it was a one-click affair. It took two and some fidgeting. But all is well now.
I understand the difficulties of being understaffed. That makes your contribution so much more valuable.
I see that my suggestions regarding form and content are not included. Hopefully, I would see the improvements in the second draft.
As the first piece of legislation, it is vitally important that it attains the same standards as other democratic jurisdictions.
Please let the Committee know that it should give my suggestions more thought. I was trained in providing them.
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Hi DI, I think you referred to your comments on p9 of the forum. We are sorry we didn’t include those comments. I will let the EOC know about these. As the coming second draft of the election regulations is not the final version, there are rooms for us to make improvement after we consider your and others comments. Once again thanks for your helpful advices!
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Hi Team 2 Moderator,
Thank you for your response.
No need to thank me. I am merely discharging my duties as a Hongkonger.
Please note that my suggestions and advice began on page 9 and continued for several pages.
I am familiar with the form and content of legislations. As such, I am surprised and concerned about the draft.
As I said, most individual sentences of the draft are well-written, but read as a whole, it simply does not comply with the standards of other common law jurisdictions.
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The form and content of legislations passed by various common law jurisdictions are freely available online. Please consult them.
I understand that Johnny Fok, a former solicitor, is involved in the preparation of the draft. Johnny will be well-served by going through those examples. I hope that Johnny will not feel offended by what I said. There is no shame over self-improvements.
I am truly worried that the draft in this state would severely impede HKP’s credibility in the international community.
Please pay special attention to my advice on excessive wordings and paragraphs of explanations and elaboration. They do not belong in a piece of legislation.
I have no other intentions but to help in this most honourable endeavour.
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Correction: The first of my comments was on June 30, 2023.
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「愛國愛港」杯葛區選，「香港議會」傾力參與！
綜觀所有人意見，對香港議會嘅討論焦點不外乎兩個：一、應唔應該搞？二、應該點搞？
「應唔應該搞？」要一睇係咪合乎法理情，二睇係咪具備認受性，三睇係咪會有成效。
「應該點搞？」即係點樣做才可確保選举嘅可行性、安全性及議會有效運作。
「應唔應該搞？」
一、係咪合乎法理情？
論法，雙普選寫在《基本法》從未改變；論理，共魔承諾循序漸進搞雙普選卻「不進反退」；論情，港人爭取雙普選26年嚟從未放棄。
結論：合乎法理情！
二、係咪具備認受性？
認受性來源於參與廣泛性，越多人參與則認受性越強。由於《國安法》會恐嚇到某一小撮人不敢參與，故有人會認為認受性不足，但有咁樣諗法嘅人直頭係「雞蛋裏挑骨頭」，因為比起嗰個90人嘅偽議會「垃圾會」，香港議會嘅認受性會強佢萬萬倍不止。
結論：具備認受性！
三、係咪會有成效？
香港淪陷要光復，最迫切嘅唯一要務，就係「滅共」，絕非制憲（如美國制憲都係喺獨立戰爭勝利之後）。因為共魔一日不滅，就會禍港一日不歇。而自從公佈籌備香港議會選舉後被港共持續極力打壓可知，共魔最恐懼嘅就係人們團結一致反對佢，故只要大家目標清晰、行動一致、堅持到底，「滅共復港」就指日可待。
結論：會有成效！
綜上三點所述，香港議會應該搞、必須搞、即刻搞，而且係團結所有人實現「滅共復港」嘅唯一出路！
「應該點搞？」
如無法喺實操層面，去確保選举嘅可行性、安全性及議會有效運作，咁香港議會嘅結局只能無疾而終。
一、確保選舉可行性
古人雲「名不正，則言不順」，喺未徹底消滅共魔且香港淪陷未光復嘅情況下，香港議會唔旗幟鮮明咁將「滅共復港」列作最迫切嘅唯一要務，就會毫無存在價值。因此，香港議會必須先正名為「香港（滅共復港）議會」。
因不但共魔係人類公敵，而香港亦係最深受各國民眾喜愛嘅國際大都市，在正名為「香港（滅共復港）議會」後，參選人要係港人，但選民就可以「名正言順」咁擴闊為全球各地所有憎恨共魔及喜愛香港嘅人（不分國籍、種族、膚色、性別、年齡、學歷、職業、信仰等），而等到「滅共復港」大業成功後，再恢復正常嘅港人選民登記都未遲。
「萬事開頭難」，尤其喺共魔全力打壓並有人諸多質疑嘅情況下，注定咗香港議會嘅首次選舉係「只許成功，不許失敗」。而「議會正名、選民擴闊」恰恰就係最能確保議會選舉成功之舉，因不但可極大增強選舉宣傳嘅影響力，而且可確保有更多人參與選舉，而越多人參與選舉，則議會認受性及發揮嘅效用就會越強，同時對共魔嘅殺傷力亦會越大，可達致「一石數鳥」之效。
而喺選民遍佈世界各地嘅情況下，毫無疑問，全程通過互聯網進行組織選舉，係唯一可行方式。
二、確保選舉安全性
「議會正名、選民擴闊」之舉，不但可確保選舉可行性，而且更可確保選舉安全性。因選民無需再驗證為港人，咁樣不但可避免洩露個人資料嘅風險，更可打消有人擔心香港議會係咪陷阱等諸多疑慮，從而顯著提高包括港人在內嘅全球民眾參與選舉意願，而且亦可慳返編寫驗證程式嘅時間及成本，並令到真正投票時嘅整個流程會更為簡便和順暢。
為鼓勵更多人參選，同時避免驗證提名人資料所帶來嘅麻煩及其个人信息外洩風險，建議無需提名即可自行報名參選，喺經選委會認定符合參選資格並取得參選編號後，要在網上公佈有關「滅共復港」參選政綱，並要接受選民們嘅網上質詢及參選人之間嘅網上辯論。
由於不需選民驗證係人都可投票，故為避免惡意重複投票破壞選舉公平性，喺投票時要對上網設備嘅Wi-Fi地址、藍牙地址及IMEI、ICCID、SEID等進行識別記錄，只要其中任意一項與已有記錄相同，則視作重複投票不與接納。
三、確保議會有效運作
雖然參選人要過三關（資格認定、公佈政綱、接受網上質詢辯論）至有機會當選，並有相關措施防止惡意重複投票，但仍然難免有共魔代理人最終進入議會，故建議除特殊情況需要保密外，議會會議全程網上公開直播，讓議員接受選民監督，有需要時更可透過議員或選民投票直接DQ不稱職議員。
另外，建議議員任期一年，可讓議會及時更換新血並長久保持最佳運作狀態。
綜上三點所述，香港議會應該咁樣搞：全力發動宣傳「議會正名、選民擴闊」新舉措，編寫投票程式全程透過互聯網進行組織選舉，合資格港人可自行報名參選，歷經資格認定、公佈政綱、接受網上質詢辯論直至投票當選，議員任期一年，議會會議全程網上公開直播接受選民監督，不稱職議員更可被其他議員或選民透過投票直接DQ。
下面會跟住深入探討如何開展發動宣傳「香港（滅共復港）議會」，以便可讓全球民眾、尤其還身在香港嘅人獲悉相關詳情。
首先，由香港議會籌委會出面主動聯絡全球各地嘅港人、藏人、疆人及大陸民運人士等不同組織，闡述「香港（滅共復港）議會」成立宗旨以及「選民擴闊」新舉措，從而爭取對方組織嘅認同、支持與協助。然後，再由對方組織喺當地幫忙發動宣傳「香港（滅共復港）議會」，例如聯絡當地政府、議會、社會不同機構組織等作出相關闡述與說明。
其次，鼓勵並要求凡認同、支持與願意協助「香港（滅共復港）議會」嘅所有組織及個人，要利用一切線上（包括但不限於網站網頁、電子郵件、社交媒體等）及線下（包括但不限於集會示威遊行、擺街站、私下面談等）方式幫忙宣傳，如有能力有條件嘅話，還可以透過電視、電台、報章雜誌、戶外燈箱、汽車車身等進行廣告宣傳。
另外，每個支持者都必須向至少兩個從未瞭解過香港議會人士進行宣傳講解，而只要人人都堅持咁樣做，即實現咗數學倍增計劃，就能喺好短時間內讓好多人都知悉香港議會呢件事情。
最後，仍身在香港嘅人，喺線上宣傳時必須要匿名進行，而線下宣傳則僅限於喺可信賴人之間私下進行。
最後嘅最後，仍身在香港嘅人，還可以靈活採取以下五種特殊方式進行推廣宣傳。
推廣宣傳內容如下：
「愛國愛港」杯葛區選，「香港議會」傾力參與！
香港議會網址：hkparliament.org
推廣宣傳展示方式：
一、靜態隱蔽方式
喺冇攝像監控及他人發現嘅情況下，以張貼字條或手寫、噴塗、蓋印字體等方式，將推廣宣傳內容喺餐廳、公園、戲院、商場、街市、車站、停車場、住宅大廈、商業大廈等公共場所，以及巴士、的士、小巴、地鐵、渡輪等公共交通工具內展示畀他人睇，而具體展示位置包括但不限於洗手間門後、出入大門、電梯扶梯、走廊樓梯、餐台、餐牌、座椅、紅綠燈柱、路邊燈柱、路牌、郵政信箱、斑馬線路面、街道拐角牆壁等等。
二、靜態公開方式
喺確認安全嘅情況下，可透過無人機將附有推廣宣傳內容嘅大型標語固定喺高大樹木、燈柱燈塔、大廈建築、山頭等頂端高處，吸引公眾觀看獲悉。
三、動態隱蔽方式
將推廣宣傳內容以手寫、噴塗、蓋印字體等方式，附在港元紙鈔上面，然後透過紙鈔買賣嘅不斷流通，可讓更多人獲取信息。
四、動態公開方式
白天可用無人機（要必須確保用家安全）、熱氣球等，喺熱鬧密集人群區域上空移動展示附有推廣宣傳內容嘅大型標語，晚上則可改用孔明燈，咁樣就可取得最大嘅宣傳轟動效果。
五、人肉移動宣傳機
將附有推廣宣傳內容嘅字條，趁人多擠逼不為意嘅時候，可偷偷貼喺他人後背衣服上面，或者乾脆直接貼喺自己嘅後背衣服上面，然後就可大搖大擺、<span dir=”ltr”>招搖過市咁沿路</span>一直進行推廣宣傳。而無論邊個，假如萬一被黑警捉住，都可以不知情被整蠱作為抗辯理由，但前提必須不能留低任何指紋喺字條上面。
假若全球性推廣宣傳行動都一切順利嘅話，那麼要問到底多唔多人撐香港議會及如何識別某人係咪支持者時，則每個香港議會支持者都必須要做到以下建議。
共魔及港共開口閉口都講「愛國愛港」，佢哋自以為咁樣就能夠全面掌控話語權，甘願做共魔奴才走狗之人才係「愛國愛港」，可以分到塊骨頭，做個港官或議員，反之就係非「愛國愛港」人士，就連入閘參選嘅資格都冇。
有鑑於此，我哋必須搶回真正符合「愛國愛港」定義嘅話語權，使出嘅呢一招就叫做「以毒攻毒」，而按照時下流行操作手法亦叫做「低級紅、高級黑」。凡支持擁護並積極參與「香港（滅共復港）議會」選舉之全球人士（包括在港人士），要喺其本人所有嘅社交媒體帳號上，均用正體中文附註「愛國愛港」四字，以資識別。
咁樣一嚟，不但可充分表明個人政治立場，可供他人輕易識別，亦可讓人直觀感受到底多唔多人撐香港議會，同時共魔亦會陷入一個三難嘅尷尬困局：一、視若無睹、毫不理會、放任不管嘅話，就會有越來越多人積極參與香港議會選舉；二、如果全面禁止社交媒體帳號附註「愛國愛港」四字嘅話，一嚟於法於理於情不合而無法做到，二嚟就會相當於自打嘴巴、顏面無存，三嚟以後就再無法借用「愛國愛港」一詞對港人進行刻意篩選；三、如果要黑警拉人恐嚇嘅話，唔公開行動就完全冇恐嚇效果，但如果公開行動嘅話，恐怕撤資走人潮會一發不可收拾，因為因言獲罪而拉人，就更加於法於理於情不合，而如果想私下拉部分人嘅話，就完全於事無補，而要拉晒所有人嘅話，一嚟黑警人手資源及關押地方有限，二嚟「紙始終包不住火」，一旦無緣無故失蹤人口突增嘅話，真相始終會被捅出嚟，咁亦同樣會造成撤資走人潮嘅災難性後果。
除咗喺所有社交媒體帳號上均用正體中文附註「愛國愛港」四字之外，還可以考慮選擇用正體中文附註「起來，不願做奴隸的人們」，效果一樣或甚至更好。
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This site is dead, so is the idea of a HKP.
Wing and Ed Chin must be happy.
Chin continues to pray. So do other fake Christians.
By 2123, all will be released from detainment, in pine boxes.
Chin had no balls to face xi in SF. 360 degrees dialogue?
Victor Ho makes at least 10 programs a week on youtube. Ho criticizes and complains and does nothing else. Ho’s programs are all making money. Ho is just like Chin, only Ho is the chairman of the Committee.
No one really wants to do anything. No wonder this whole thing is dead.
What is wrong with being slaves? We were all born that way.
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VICTOR HO FOUND A GOLD MINE WITH ELMER YUEN. HO ONLY TALKS AND PRETENDS TO SUPPORT THE HONG KONG PARLIAMENT
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獅子山精神，同舟共濟。
須知「<span class=”s1″>皮之不存，毛將焉附」，若不能維護</span>香港人整體利益，則任何個人利益都只係「鏡中花、水中月」而已。
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KOCCP, I HOPE YOU ARE AGREEING WITH ME. VICTOR HO IS ANOTHER ED CHIN WHO TALKS BUT DOES NOTHING. THE HKP IS DOOMED WITH PEOPLE LIKE THAT. WE ARE FUCKED!
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<p class=”p1″><span class=”s1″>獅子山精神，同舟共濟。</span></p>
<p class=”p1″><span class=”s1″>須知「皮之不存，毛將焉附」，若不能維護香港人整體利益，則任何個人利益都只係「鏡中花、水中月」而已。</span></p> -
路遙知馬力，日久見人心。
假的真不了，真的假不了。
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KOCCP, I could barely contain my anger whenever I see Victor Ho. I helped out the Committee in a big way. I thought the Committee was genuine. I was impressed with Ho last Summer, 2022. He spoke passionately against the “security law” but he has done NOTHING since. Ho is a scam!
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那就拭目以待，看看騙子日後如何現形。
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KOCCP, I am feeling better. I thought I was talking to myself.
Ho worked for SingTao, which was bought by the ccp and became just like cctvb. We should have been more alert at the beginning. I should have known better. We were just too desperate to help out and to avenge for our brave young people.
Ho is just repeating the news after Elmer. He provides very little insight.
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完全無需絕望，正所謂「自作孽，不可活」，共魔自己製造出來嘅「武漢肺炎」疫情，至今仍然未平息，且有越演越烈之勢，勢必導致共魔明年覆滅。
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KOCCP, you strike me as one of the educated and experienced persons that I have had the privilege of encountering here.
Between the undercover ccp operatives and blind followers, the truth is so often hidden. Anyone could tell that not much enthusiasm is left on this site. This is in striking contrast to the more than ten programs that Ho appears in every week, all monetized. He is very enthusiastic there. Even as chairman, Ho couldn’t care less here.
In the end, the truth will be known as you said.
Inaction cannot be postponed indefinitely. People know.
I do not think Victor Ho will mind though. He would have made his money for a comfortable retirement in Vancouver. My guess is that he will simply disappear. So would Sasha Gong.
I would be devastated if Elmer actually cannot carry through with what he said he would. At this point, nothing looks promising. Just look at this site.
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VICTOR HO WORRIES ABOUT HIS NAILS BEING TOO LONG WHEN HE HAS CANCER.
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RAYMOND WONG YUK MAN SPEAKS OUT LOUDLY AGAINST THE CCP. HE IS ACTUALLY FOR THE CCP.
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NOT EVERYONE WHO IS OPENILY AGAINST THE CCP IS ACTUALLY AGAINST THE CCP. WE ALL LEARNT THE HARD WAY.
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AS PART OF HUMAN EXISTENCE, POLITICS IS SO DECEPTIVE. IT REALLY TAKES TIME TO KNOW THE TRUTH.
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VICTOR HO CANNOT STOP REPORTING, ANALYSING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE HONG KONG PARLIAMENT.
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VICTOR HO, CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE, CANNOT COME UP WITH A PLAN TO KEEP THE INTEREST OF PEOPLE UP. NO PLAN FOR LIMITED DISCLOSURE.
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Gong is against the Ukraine’s rights to defend itself and self-determination against Putin. Gong also supports HK’s rights to defend itself and self-determination against the ccp. How can both be right?
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Peter Hui just left a comment on Elmer’s program today, Nov 30, 2023. Hui also questions Ho’s integrity. I am glad that people are taking more in depth views into things. Wake up!
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nobody,thank you!
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Will do, KOCCP. I agree with more disclosures and promotions. I agree with Elmer’s measured and limited disclosures. The HKP is everyone’s business. We have a right to know what difficulties or progress we are having. Elmer is wrong and unwise to not disclose. Yes, each disclosure brings attacks of all kinds. That is to be expected. Should we not disclose the candidates before the election due to danger of sabotage? Nonsense! This is a fight. The ccp will try to sabotage each step of the way, once announced.
Will the ccp not try to find the company just because Elmer does not disclose the name or some info about it? Gong stopping Elmer from disclosing is stupid at best and ill-willed at worst.
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I am almost certain that the Committee is infiltrated, sabotaged and divided. We are looking at the end result.
Elmer must tell us what the problems are so we could all help out.
There is no shame to admitting difficulties. It actually gets more support.
Elmer should not let his character or pride gets in the way.
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Victor Ho dare not say anything as Ed Chin was peeing on his head.
Ho said nothing in Elmer’s defence about Chin’s blatant lies on Elmer’s not showing up. Chin cut off Ho’s sound twice. The nerve! Yet Ho did nothing.
There is no reason to keep his cool for some higher good. It serves no purpose. Chin is just a POS. Ho is just a coward.
Do you believe that someone like Ho has the guts to fight for us?
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驅散黑暗恐懼嘅最佳方法，就係時刻保持喺陽光普照之下，故所有操作越公開透明，就會越多人關注，同時亦會釋除人們心中各種疑慮，從而令事情取得最佳效果。
雖然公開一切可能因此招致共魔打擊報復，但另一方面更會獲得全球各國正義力量嘅保護及幫助。
我哋要明白，而家共魔已成國際上嘅過街老鼠，被各國人民齊聲追打，故此時正係「百年未有之大變局—滅共」嘅最佳時機。
而以目前共魔嘅實力，通緝區區八人尚且無一成功，更何況去講要對付成千上萬、十萬、百萬、千萬甚至更多嘅滅共人士呢？故只要人人破除心中恐懼，敢於齊齊對共魔亮劍攻擊，咁共魔就只能驚恐萬分、束手無策以致坐以待斃。
最後，借用前共魔匪頭「毛賊東」嘅名言，嚟形容目前嘅滅共形勢就係，「星星之火，開始燎原」。
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KOCCP, well said! I agree totally.
Gong, like many who went through that period, believes that the ccp is all powerful. It is not.
Many who grew up in HK feel the same way.
I think that Elmer is taking the wrong approach. I do not want to think further as to the reason why. I really hope that he will let us know the problems he is facing. It is impossible not to have difficulties.
The Committee invited people to get involved and say it will respond etc. The reality is the exact opposite. I have not seen a less enthusiastic committee.
The time is now. May God, or whatever the higher power that be, help us if this continues.
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Victor Ho made 155 programs in one and 93 in another with Elmer, totally 248 programs so far. So much talk! Where is the action?
How is the public treated?
What has Ho actually done?
I am criticizing Ho and people like Ho who have used what happened in 2019 to make money in the safety of overseas countries.
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The Committee not responding to public criticisms is the ultimate showing of indifference and disdain for the democratic process!
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A Committee said to promote and protect the right to universal suffrage paying no attention to public enquiries and criticisms is not a scam?
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Victor Ho, as head of the Committee, gets paid by appearing on the internet using his title and involvement in the Committee is not a scammer?
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If Victor Ho does not have Elmer’s appearance on his show and is not the chairman, would he have the viewership and money? Ho does not appear to do anything to advance the cause of setting up the HKP. Is that not a scam?
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It is one thing to not pay attention to obviously malicious comments. It is a different thing to ignore obviously sincere and constructive criticisms.
This is where people think the Committee is wrong.
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Many people were enthusiastic and gave lots of good comments. They no longer do. The Committee does not seem to care. That is infuriating.
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As late as Nov 21, team 2 responded to KOCCP’S COMMENTS. AFTER THAT, THIS SITE HAS BECOME A FREE ADS SITE FOR RUSSIANS. Actually, even before that most were not cleaned up.
No one has cleaned up and delated any of these ads since then.
What does this show?
NO ONE CARES ANYMORE.
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BEING SHAMELESS IS THE BEST.
KEEP IGNORING THE OBVIOUS.
HO, KEEP MAKING YOUTUBE AND PATREON MONEY.
IF THE COMMITTEE DOES NOT CARE OR IS NOT EVEN IN EXISTENCE, I DO NOT CARE EITHER.
THIS SITE WILL BE DEAD AND GONE SOON.
ONLY THE BS TALKS WILL CONTINUE, FOR EVERYONE’S ENJOYMENT AND ENTERTAINMENT.
IT IS ALL A BIG SHOW.
I WILL NOT BE BOTHERING YOU.
ALL THE BEST FOR SETTING UP THE HKP.
HAPPY?
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BACK TO 1 COUNTRY 2 SYSTEMS?
I THOUGHT ELMER WANTED TO DESTROY THE CCP.
I AM ALL CONFUSED.
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I WAS GOING TO QUIT, BUT HEARD ELMER TODAY THAT HE IS NOW SUPPORTING A FULL ELECTION IN HK UNDER THE CCP?
IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? PEOPLE HAVE TRIED FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
YOU SCOLDED ED CHIN OVER THIS.
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WOULD WE NOW AGREE TO NO HKP IF THE CCP NOW AGREES TO AN OPEN AND FREE ELECTION IN HK BUT UNDER THE CCP’S SUPERVISION?
WOULD THE CCP AGREE TO A WHOLESALE CAPTURE AND PUNISHMENT OF WRONGDOERS UP TO NOW?
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THERE CANNOT BE A HKP IF THERE IS A FREE AND OPEN ELECTION IN HK.
THEY ARE MUTUALY EXCLUSIVE.
ELMER, IF YOU ADVOCATE FOR ONE, YOU CANNOT ADVOCATE FOR THE OTHER.
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO?
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MY suspicions ARE RIGHT.
ELMER DOES NOT WANT TO CARRY THROUGH WITH THE IDEAL OF A HKP.
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My goodness!
Now Elmer is saying that we should co-exist with the ccp. What’s more, we should ask for the ccp’s permission to set up a government through a fair and open election?
If the ccp was agreeable to it, we would have had it a long time ago.
What is going on?
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There is no credibility left with the ccp.
The ccp may buy time by agreeing to this.
The same thing will happen again and again.
There is no other way.
The ccp must be destroyed.
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Elmer should now apologize to Ed Chin.
Ed Chin always called for one country two systems.
Ed Chin has been right!
Elmer owes Chin an apology.
Elmer should ask Chin to talk with xi.
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Let us pursue the one country two systems truly open and fair election under ccp supervision but without any interference.
Please team up with Raymond Wong Yuk Man.
Let us do this again and again.
This time, the ccp is in such bad shape that it will agree to this.
And they will keep their promise this time.
Problem solved!
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Elmer apologize to Ed Chin.
Elmer apologize to Ed Chin.
Elmer apologize to Ed Chin.
Elmer apologize to Ed Chin.
Elmer apologize to Ed Chin.
Elmer apologize to Ed Chin.
Elmer apologize to Ed Chin.
Elmer apologize to Ed Chin.
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Ed Chin, I am sorry.
Ed Chin, I am sorry.
Ed Chin, I am sorry.
Ed Chin, I am sorry.
Ed Chin, I am sorry.
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This time, the ccp has finally learnt its lession.
The ccp will behave from now on.
The ccp will do all good things from now on.
The ccp will honour all agreements from now on.
The ccp will give hk a high level of autonomy from now on.
The ccp will get rid of all corruption from now on.
Problem solved!
No need for a HKP.
What for?
No one cared anyway.
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With a free and open election, hk will be back on track. All laws re-established. Foreign investments will be back.
Foreign investments go back to China.
China and the ccp gets even stronger.
Global castastrophe that no one can stop.
Problem solved!
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Elmer asked Chin point blank and said that he will not accept a hk reverted to a true one country two systems.
“Would you accept the goods?” Elmer asked.
“I would definitely not!” said Elmer.
Now what the hell?
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Elmer, you cannot play with the expectations and emotions of the public.
People supported you because of what you advocated.
You stance was to destroy the ccp.
Your stance was to set up a democratically elected organization called the Hong Kong Parliament without any connection with the ccp.
Every word that you said in your programs with Chin made a lot of sense.
Thats why you have supporters.
Now that it becomes very difficult, you are attempting to shift your stance.
That is inexcusable.
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Elmer should go to Beijing and talk to xi.
You traveled everywhere.
See what happens.
As you said, there is always a chance.
Why don’t you put the money where your mouth is.
If you don’t get locked up and successfully made some progree with xi, them people MAY start supporting this.
Don’t screw with people’s hopes.
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What can a financially and legally sound hk do if china remains the same?
Investments would not go into china.
Hk is screwed anyway like this.
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I love one country two systems.
I love one country two systems.
I love one country two systems.
I love one country two systems.
I love one country two systems.
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Elmer, would you agree to stopping the formation of the HKP if talks begin with the ccp for an open and fair election?
I think you would.
There is no real progress with setting up the HKP anyway.
I think this is the way for you to cop out of this.
No wonder nothing is happening.
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Good!
Ed Chin is making money.
Victor Ho is making money.
Sasha gong is making money.
Raymond Wong Yuk Man is making money.
Many brave HONG KONG young people are dead.
Let us have more talk to revive the true one country two systems.
Thank you, young people, for your sacrifices.
We will all remember you.
We will all burn incense to remember you in your unmarked graves.
There will be more talks, and talks, and talks….
Look how happy Victor Ho and Crocodile Au Yeung are with their youtube and patreon money. They are enjoying themselves in Vancouver. You are restfully sleeping in your unmarked graves.
All’s well that ends well.
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ALL IS QUIET HERE. SO QUIET.
ALL IS QUIET HERE. SO QUIET.
ALL IS QUIET HERE. SO QUIET.
ALL IS QUIET HERE. SO QUIET.
ALL IS QUIET HERE. SO QUIET.
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HOW CAN ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND NOW REGISTER AS CANDIDATES FOR THE HKP?
If Elmer is now calling for a fair and open election in Hong Kong, what is the point of going through with the idea of a HKP?
One negates the other.
You either work to set up the HKP or participate in setting up a free and open election in Hong Kong.
You cannot do both.
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Getting an online voting system working is one thing, getting people interested to become candidates in the election for the HKP is another.
Where is the enthusiasm? The Committee put out three programs for the online voting system. Everyone thought that it was substantially done. It turns out that it has not. How would people trust you if you set out procedures that are not done yet?
Is that not a scam?
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The Committee, if it still exists, must answer all of my concerns and questions raised.
I am asking them out of a genuine concern for the continuation of the movement.
The Committee has stated unequivocally that it is open to questions and discussions.
Now let’s hear your response.
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I am looking forward to a response, even a generic one, from either of the teams or their moderators, if they are still present.
May I have the courtesy of a response from anyone from the Committee?
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ELMER SAID MANY TIMES THAT THE CCP MUST BE DESROYED. ELMER SAID THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.
HOW COULD THE CCP BE DESTROYED IF HONG LONG BECOMES STRONG AGAIN? BY EXTENSION, THE CCP BECOMES STRONGER AGAIN.
WHERE IS THE LOGIC?
I AM SO CONFUSED.
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HK MUST BE TOTALLY DEAD BEFORE IT COULD RISE FROM THE ASHES, LIKE A PHOENIX.
HK MUST ENDURE THE PAIN OF DEATH BEFORE THE CCP WOULD DIE.
IF THE CCP DOES NOT DIE, THE WHOLE WORLD DIES WITH IT.
AM I WRONG?
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WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THE 2019 UPRISING IF NOT TO RE-SET EVERYTHING?
TO RE-SET, THE WHOLE SYSTEM MUST BE DOWN FOR A WHILE.
IT IS THE ART OF DYING BY BRUCE LEE.
ELMER IS ADOPTING THE THINKING OF EX-PANEMOCRATS.
ELMER ALWAYS SAID THAT THE CCP MUST BE DEAD. FOR THE CCP TO BE DEAD, HONG KONG MUST BE DEAD ALSO. THERE IS NO RESURRECTION UNLESS AND UNTIL HONG KONG IS DEAD.
THIS IS JUST THE CYCLE ALL OVER AGAIN.
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The ccp is Hong Kong’s cancer. If the ccp does not die, Hong Kong will surely die. Hong Kong is on painful cancer treatments now. Hong Kong will suffer a lot and will look like it is dead. But once the ccp dies, overseas Hongkonger will start bringing Hong Kong back to life.
Hong Kong needs to go through this suffering in order to get back to its former glory.
Unless Elmer is a double undercover agent for the ccp, he is rather stupid in his thinking that Hong Kong could escape its fate if the ccp is still around.
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No authoritarian regime prospers its own people, unless it is absurdly rich to start with, like the Arabs.
Authoritarian regimes and people’s prosperity are contradictions in terms.
Hong Kong may prosper in the short term with money coming in if the ccp let go of its grip, but in the long term it will be even worse. The ccp will get even stronger this time. No one could stop it next time.
Elmer is losing it or worse, that is actually what he thinks.
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Everyone who is a pro-democracy freedom fighter is talking, analysing, criticizing, complaining and lamenting on the state of affairs brought on by the CCP.
When could we see any action?
Is anyone interested in action?
Their talks are repetitive. People are tired of it. The only thing that changes is the size of their wallets. This will keep going forever. The fight goes on, so does their wallet size.
Do I only have one audience?
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So far, I saw only the following concrete things done on paper regarding the HKP’s set-up:
1. One draft of the election regulations announced on August 1;
2. 3 or 4 illustrations of the online voting process which was not finalized;
3. One summary of questions asked and answered.
When could we see anything else on paper? For example, the second draft of the election regulations?
Will we expect to see something on paper this month?
Thank you.
Please let the public know.
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俗話講，「路遙知馬力，日久見人心」。
無論邊個，到底係人係鬼，日後一切自有分曉。
當然啦，係人嘅話，就會留喺人間享福，而鬼則必然要落地獄受罪，正所謂「因果循環，報應不爽」。
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俗話講，「路遙知馬力，日久見人心」。
無論邊個，到底係人係鬼，日後一切自有分曉。
當然啦，係人嘅話，就會留喺人間享福，而鬼則必然要落地獄受罪，正所謂「因果循環，報應不爽」。
KOCCP
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KOCCP, are you still here? Write to other programs. Elmer’ etc.
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nobody，具體如何做，請指教，謝謝。
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KOCCP, write your comments on Elmer’s (Elmer Yuen) online program and Victor Ho’s online program – Media Analytica. Paste your piece there. No one visits here anymore. This is abandoned.
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What happened, Parliament? You haven’t made a update in months, or done the elections yet. Will it be happening on January 1 2024?
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